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Scion XB vs 2011 Hyundai Elantra

Posted by: vegasdude  /  Category: Comparisons




Sorry I’m a bit in a hurry so I can’t really list all the details for both vehicles and give full info on the comparo.

I need a daily driver and I’m pass the fugliness of the XB. Recently I had a chance to drive the new 2011 Hyundai Elantra and it looks like a mini version of the new Sonata. It’s not a bad looking car and it get’s up to 40 miles per gallon vs XB’s 29.

XB – Personal Opinion
Pros: Less money, predicted reliability
Cons: gas economy, wind noise

2011 Elantra – Personal Opinion
Pros: gas mileage, looks better, more HP, quiet ride
Cons: predicted reliability, more expensive

Any thoughts on either car.

Mucho Gracias.

Road Racers

Posted by: breakFan  /  Category: Comparisons




BMW M3 GTS

Engine: V8, 4361cc
Max power: 444bhp @ 8300rpm
Max torque: 325lb ft @ 3750rpm

Weight: 1490kg (Car Mag) / 1530kg (AutoExpress)

0 – 60mph: 4.4sec
Top speed: 190mph

Price: €136,850 (Germany) – £115,215 (UK)

Porsche 911 (997-2) GT3 RS

Engine: Flat 6, 3797cc
Max power: 444bhp @ 7900rpm
Max torque: 317lb ft @ 6750rpm

Weight: 1370kg (Porsche UK)

0 – 60mph: 4.0secs (claimed)
Top speed: 193mph (claimed)

Price: €150,155 (Germany) – £109,000 (UK)

Reborn Heroes

Posted by: breakFan  /  Category: Comparisons




Audi Quattro Concept

Based on RS5 chassis (shortened by 150mm). TT-RS engine (but mounted longitudinally). Extensive use of carbon-fibre, production version aimed at 1300kg (concept 1340kg). If you stick the sat-nav in ‘Race’ mode, it’ll read pace notes of the road ahead like a co-pilot. Estimated to cost around £150,000.

Engine: In-line 5cyl, 2480cc, turbocharged
Location: front, longitudinal
Max power: 402bhp @ 5400rpm
Max torque: 354lb ft @ 1600rpm

Transmission: six-speed manual (originating from the S5), four-wheel drive, crown-gear centre differential, ‘sport’ rear differential
Brakes: ventilated and cross-drilled fibre-ceramic discs, six-piston callibers

Weight (kerb): 1300kg

0 – 60mph: 3.9sec (claimed)
Top speed: 186mph (claimed)

Price: N/A
On Sale: Keep your fingers crossed!

EVO: 5 stars
AutoExpress: 5 stars

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Lancia Stratos

Privately funded (Michael Stoschek & son). Based on 430 Scuderia chassis (shortened by 200mm) and running gear. Lighter than the Scuderia. Designed and engineered by Pininfarina. Equipped with FIA-spec roll cage. Limited run of 25 likely, exact price yet to be decided.

Engine: 4308cc, V8
Location: mid, longitudinal
Max power: 532bhp @ 8200rpm
Max torque: 369lb ft @ 5250rpm

Transmission: six-speed sequential manual gearbox, rear-wheel drive, limited-slip differential
Brakes: ventilated and cross-drilled carbon-ceramic discs. 398mm front with six-piston callibers, 350mm rear with four-piston callipers

Weight (kerb): 1270kg
Power to weight: 418bhp/ton

0 – 60mph: sub-4sec (est)
Top speed: 195mph+ (est)

Price: £500,000 (provisionally)

EVO: 5 stars

S550 vs. XJ vs. 750i vs. A8 vs. LS

Posted by: n wright 275  /  Category: Comparisons




Comparison section is kind of empty .. so here they are, top of the line luxury under 100k.


1. 2011 Mercedes-Benz S550

Base Price: $93,650

Base Engine: 5.5 Liter V8
Horsepower: 382 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque:
391 ft-lbs. @ 2800 rpm
0-60:
5.4 Seconds
Standard Transmission: 7 Speed Shiftable Automatic
Gas Mileage: 15/23
Driven Wheels: RWD

2. 2011 Jaguar XJ
Base Price: $72,700

Base Engine: 5.0 Liter V8
Horsepower: 385 hp @ 6500 rpm
Torque:
380 ft-lbs. @ 3500 rpm
0-60:
5.4 Seconds
Standard Transmission: 6 Speed Shiftable Automatic
Gas Mileage: 16/23
Driven Wheels: RWD


3. 2011 BMW 750i
Base Price: $82,500

Base Engine: 4.4 Liter V8 (Turbocharged)
Horsepower: 400 hp @ 5500 rpm
Torque:
450 ft-lbs. @ 1750 rpm
0-60:
5.1 Seconds
Standard Transmission: 6 Speed Shiftable Automatic
Gas Mileage: 15/22
Driven Wheels: RWD

4. 2011 Audi A8 4.2 Quattro
Base Price: $78,050

Base Engine: 4.2 Liter V8
Horsepower: 372 hp @ 6800 rpm
Torque:
328 ft-lbs. @ 3500 rpm
0-60:
5.7 Seconds
Standard Transmission: 8 Speed Shiftable Automatic
Gas Mileage: 17/27
Driven Wheels: AWD

5. 2011 Lexus LS460
Base Price: $66,230

Base Engine: 4.6 Liter V8
Horsepower: 380 hp @ 6400 rpm
Torque:
367 ft-lbs. @ 4100 rpm
0-60:
5.4 Seconds
Standard Transmission: 8 Speed Shiftable Automatic
Gas Mileage: 16/24
Driven Wheels: RWD


Group C vs F1 2011

Posted by: Venom 1000  /  Category: Comparisons




I actually laughed when I saw they were introducing KERS to F1 for next year as well as increased the weight to 640kg. Over the last few years the FIA has mandated decreases in grip, power, and increases in weight. There used to be a big gap in performance between Le Mans prototypes and F1 but that gap has become rather small in recent times, especially with the lack of development allowed in F1. So it got me thinking about the "old" cars.

Mid 80′s Porsche 962

Weight: 900kg
Power: 780hp
Torque: 500ft-lb +
Downforce: High
Drag: Low
Gears: 6

F1 2011

Weight: 640kg
Power: ~ 700hp
Torque: ~ 210-230 ft-lbs
Downforce: Moderate
Drag: High
Gears: 7

Sorry for the lack of pretty pictures, but this is really a technical comparison. I’d like to see them race head to head on tracks with a variety of corners and straights, ex. Suzuka, Nurburgring, Road America, Silverstone…

I’m starting to think the 962 would win on most of them, anyone else?

Lexus LFA vs. Ferrari 599 HTGE

Posted by: teXas  /  Category: Comparisons




http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/…mparison_tests

Complete Specs and Performance Data

2011 Ferrari 599 HGTE – Second place:


Highs: Supremely flexible V-12, refined highway performance, wondrous seats, surprisingly practical, looks as expensive as it is.

Lows: Comparatively tame engine sound, slightly vague steering, outdated navigation and audio systems.

The Verdict: Ferrari builds a Lexus.

2012 Lexus LFA – First place:

Highs: Stunning engine, amazing exhaust note, great brakes and steering, near-perfect handling balance, beautiful interior, feels as special as its sticker suggests.

Lows: Laughable trunk, poor rear-three-quarter visibility, unrefined transmission.

The Verdict: Lexus builds a Ferrari.

:-k

What do you think?

25 Years of The M3

Posted by: Jared  /  Category: Comparisons




From what I’ve seen this comparison hasn’t been done (or, hasn’t been done recently).

Another post from Car and Driver. They do have a BMW bias in comparisons (that has changed recently) but it’s difficult to exclaim bias when all of the competitors are BMWs.

Quote:

Even as it churns out those . . . things called the X6 and the 5-series Grand Turismo, BMW’s credentials remain intact. Thank the M3, which, after 25 years, remains BMW’s most bewitching product and a shibboleth against anybody who questions whether the Bavarian fun *factory has finally lost it.

To mark a quarter-century of M3s and to let journalists drive the new, not-for-U.S.-sale M3 GTS, BMW gathered a trove of coupes and convertibles representing all four generations—including the original moxie-stuffed E30, the six-cylinder E36 and E46, and the current E90-series—at the private,  3.4-mile Ascari Race Resort in Spain.

You could spend a lifetime combing the classifieds and never assemble a dream collection like this. Culled from various departments within the company, including its own BMW Classic collection, every car is a cream puff with fewer than 10,000 miles (although all were wearing modern rubber).

They have soft, wrinkle-free leather, dashboards absent of cracks and fading, engines making something like the advertised horsepower, and suspensions that digest a track without shudders or arthritic clunks. It was as though time had wrinkled and we were attending the press introduction of all four M3 generations at once.
Rare, brash, expensive when new, and often showing scars of high mileage and a hard life when you glimpse a survivor on the street today, the seminal E30 M3 came into being because of a mid-1980s racing technicality. In order to enter a hotter, more competitive 3-series in Group A Touring Car events, BMW was required to build 5000 road-legal copies for sale to the public.

*What a gorgeous collection*

The E30’s famously dilated fenders and its rump wing are instant identifiers, while everything about it feels antique and wonderfully analog. The slim, gossamer doors swing with fingertip pressure. There’s a big steering wheel with three straight spokes and a thin rim wrapped in actual rough-out leather, not the fakey-doo Alcantara found in modern cars. The plastic dash controls are knobs, bulky buttons, or old-fashioned sliders, and the big white-on-black dials lack the digital flourishes of later cars. Airbags? Not yet.

Tuned for twist, the S14 four-cylinder makes a catty purr at idle and a lynx-like wail at its 6750-rpm power peak. The E30’s five gears are short and tightly spaced to keep the engine at full meow, so most of Ascari is done in fourth and fifth, and the revs rarely drop below 4000.

By the granitic standards of modern sport suspensions, the E30 is pretty soft. Governed by light steering that answers eagerly to small inputs, the handling is relaxed but neutral. There isn’t enough power to snap it loose from the back, and—at just south of 2900 pounds fully tanked—there isn’t enough mass to overwhelm the front tires.
The E30’s acceleration—0 to 60 mph in 6.9 seconds—could probably be matched by Lance Armstrong on a good day. But the best BMWs are about overall balance and poise, lofty expectations that were created in part by the E30.

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Having wildcatted into an unforeseen vein in the market, BMW had enough confidence to grow the M3’s lineup. With the six-cylinder E36, the M3 was turned out as coupe, convertible, and sedan. More choices meant more sales, but the chasm widened between the road car and the racer.

The initial 240-hp U.S.-spec M3 was 42 horsepower weaker than its Euro counterpart with its more exotic engine, and to further hold down costs, BMW clothed the various M3 models in the same exterior sheetmetal as their base 3-seriescounterparts. Compared with the flaring E30, the E36 looks like it has exhaled.

The first six-cylinder M3 is a leap forward in technology (this model introduced SMG—BMW’s first clutchless manual transmission, which wasn’t sold here), but it’s still old enough to feel relatively primeval. The odometer has gone digital, but the new airbag lives in a giant lunchbox in the wheel. Don’t bother *looking for traction- or stability-control buttons—they’re still a generation away.

Time passes and speeds rise: The Euro-spec E36 we drove hit 115.6 mph on Ascari’s long straight—to the E30’s 110—the *mellifluous turbine underhood heard but barely felt. The E36 feels lower, wider, and much stiffer than its predecessor, with a suspension that is clamped tighter, so cornering limits climb. It’ll pitch sideways far more readily, though the steering is more insulated and a little less organic than the E30’s.

With three body styles and only a modest bump in base price over the E30, plus a slew of variants introduced throughout its life span, the E36 gets credit for being the first to spread the M3 religion far and wide.

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The M3 got its special, steroidal fenders back with the E46, but their higher tooling cost spelled the demise (temporary, it would later prove) for the slow-selling M3 sedan.

Compared with its predecessors, the E46 feels thoroughly modern, the march of progress leaving its tracks in the form of a much higher button count. There’s a stability-control button, a sport button for a livelier throttle response, automatic *climate control, and optional navigation. An electronic redline indicator cleverly increases along with the engine’s oil *temperature.

Despite the increasing luxury, this M3 never lets the froth *isolate the driver from the machinery. With 333 horsepower from the 3.2-liter six, the E46 finally offered the same output as the Euro version. Stand on it, and its uniquely kazoo-like engine rip instantly knocks you back a decade as the gray-faced gauges dance.

Wheels were growing and tire sidewalls were shrinking. The 46’s ride is a jaw jangler on busted surfaces, but it has a more neutral, less oversteer-prone feel around Ascari than the E36 and barrels through a slew of corners with friction-free steering and cool composure. Fishtails happen—oh, yes—but they come on more gradually than in the E36 and are easier to ride out.

For many, the E46 is the ultimate M3. It’s bawdier and less refined (and less expensive) than the current V-8 cruiser—and has a proper inline-six, the engine type BMW spent half a century perfecting.

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SOURCE: http://www.caranddriver.com/features…_track-feature

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I left out the E90/2 portion of the review because I feel it’s new enough that we know what it’s all about and what reviewers and magazines have to say about it.

We have the oft heralded E30 M3, inconspicuous E36 M3, more modern and luxurious E46 M3, and the new E92 M3 packing a V8 and more weight.

The E30 M3 is praised throughout the automotive world as, not only a great race car, but as a great street car. Its quick reflexes and forgiving chassis with rev-crazy Inline 4 make for an exhilarating ride you won’t soon forget. Its lack of straight line speed leaves you wanting more.

The E36 grew up, had more variants, making it more accessible. It has a larger engine than the M3 and personifies the term, "sleeper." It’s dressed nearly the same as 325s from its day.

The E46 only came in a two door. It has a more raucous engine with 333 horsepower but it also packed on more weight and has more amenities to suit a more technologically adept market.

The E92 has grown up substantially but that doesn’t mean it can’t play like the rest of them. The 414HP V8 revving to 8,500RPM is a sign it’s still as visceral as the youngsters (earlier models). It has a limited slip and traction control to keep things in line but those can be disabled for youthful shenanigans but with modern amenities you would expect from this day and age.

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I propose you this, out of the models listed above (and their variants) which would you choose to have as your daily driver which would take you to and from work, school routes, grocery stores (and other daily uses)?

Which do you think will stand the test of time in terms of design and technology?

Which is the best drive, best looking, etc, in your eyes?

Going Off The Beaten Trail

Posted by: Jared  /  Category: Comparisons




We often talk about sports cars and hyper exotics that a lot of people cannot afford or are impractical for every day use.

For this comparison we’ll check out Jeep’s new Grand Cherokee, Kia’s Borrego, Nissan’s aging Pathfinder, and Toyota’s new 4 Runner.

This is based on Car and Driver’s comparison between the four.

SUVs are popular among a lot of Americans for having gobs of interior space and the ability to carry passengers in comfort with the potential for going camping or packing lots of groceries in and sports equipment. Their full body shape appeals to more people than a truck with an open bed. You don’t need to go to Best Buy on a sunny day to buy your 60" television and entertainment center.

Consider off-road and on-road ability, space, price, and options list as you make a decision about which is your pick of the four.

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Quote:

The 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee is the newest, and we opted for the full, double-chili-with-onions Overland V-8 this time (we tested a low-option V-6 model in the September issue). Of the $45,240 as-tested price, the Off-Road Adventure II package (skid plates, a full-size spare, off-road tires, and 18-inch wheels) is responsible for just $275. Clearly, Jeep wants you out there getting dirty.

Kia’s Borrego is from a dying breed: the big, body-on-frame, not-too-pricey SUV. This loaded Limited is the test’s only other V-8 and the cheapest, at $40,790, with no options taken or needed. The aging Nissan Pathfinder now also offers a V-8, but we instead locked and loaded a more well-rounded, $43,655 deluxe LE with a 4.0-liter V-6, which also kept its price closer to the $40K mark.

An indicator of change in the truck segment: Toyota’s new-for-2010 4Runner has the only solid rear axle in this group. The Trail model is the get-muddy version, with sparse exterior decoration and blacked-out fender flares. Our $40,957 copy was outfitted with the $1750 kinetic dynamic suspension, which automatically disconnects the anti-roll bars when more wheel travel is needed

4th Place; Kia Borrego:

The Borrego—the truck, not the fault—suffers its own tremors, induced by everything from large rocks to hairline pavement cracks. Kia endowed the Borrego with carlike handling, quick steering, and restrained body lean but, in doing so, stiffened the suspension to the point of distraction. Granite slabs bend (as we saw in one cut in a canyon wall where the rock layers had been deformed by  tectonic pressure into a perfect horseshoe), but the Kia’s springs do not.

As with the Grand Cherokee, the Kia’s 4.6-liter V-8 sucked up more fuel but returned acceleration times barely better than the V-6 Toyota’s.  And Kia has tuned the Borrego’s gas pedal to be almost lifeless for the first few inches of travel. Unless you floor it, the V-8 wakes up more slowly than a teenager on Saturday morning. Many times, we rolled away convinced that the parking brake was still applied.

It’s only been on the market for two years, but the Borrego interior seems outdated, a simple slab of black plastic and metal-like trim accents that functions but doesn’t excite. However, the front and rear seats were praised for noteworthy comfort and roominess—the big Borrego’s best selling points aside from its price and 7500-pound tow capacity.

The A/C came and went for the rest of the afternoon as we roostertailed across sand dunes and eased down the backs of steep pressure ridges using the Borrego’s multimode four-wheel-drive system and electronic hill-descent *control.

Less eager to be an off-roader than an on-road family hauler and apex duster (it produced the best lane-change and skidpad scores), the Borrego, like the Big Mac or the Whopper, trades mainly on its size and price

3rd Place; Nissan Pathfinder:

The truckish Pathfinder thrives here. It lacks the ground clearance and electronic terrain-tuning fandangles of others, but the overhangs are clipped, and the visibility from the command chair is good. A rotary switch on the all-business dash—there’s just a quick splash of dark faux wood in the acres of black plastic to hint at luxury—directs the transfer case.

Even without locking differentials, the scramble traction is reliable as the anti-lock brakes work to halt wheelspin. A softly calibrated throttle allows you to ease the Pathfinder up shelves and over rocks with only occasional scraping underneath.

Befitting Nissan’s sporting self-image, the bolstered bucket seats are firmer in this one, the perforated leather resembling a Porsche’s. Power-adjustable pedals in our LE helped compensate for a lack of a telescoping steering wheel. Like the Borrego, our Pathfinder had a third row of seats but to the detriment of legroom in the second row, which was singled out as the prison cell of this group. The third row, meanwhile, is an acrobatic exercise to access. Adults need not apply.

Way back in 1986 when it was new, the Pathfinder had quick reflexes and unexpected nimbleness. But the current generation appeared in 2005 with no love of sealed roads. Vague steering and a lot of tire yowl in turns keep the speeds down. When floored, the 4.0-liter V-6 scores par—7.5 seconds to 60 mph—but head winds and uphill grades of any measure excite the transmission to fits of shuttling into and out of overdrive. The ride gets cantankerous on rough surfaces.

2nd Place; Toyota 4 Runner:

Sport-utility sales popped soon after the 4Runner all but invented the segment in 1984. The 2010 revision carries forward a lot of tradition: Along with that live-axle rear end, its transfer case is also the only one shifted via an old-time hand lever.

Elsewhere, however, buttons abound on the Trail model. Besides a locking rear differential, there’s multi-terrain select, a four-position knob that lets the driver tailor the throttle and traction control to various surfaces, from solid rock to moguls and mud and sand; active traction control, which gets the power to the corners with traction off-road; and crawl control, a sort of off-road cruise control. A hill holder helps you get moving gracefully again after you’ve stopped.

The helpers work precisely as advertised to get the 4Runner where you want it, but robotizing the off-road experience seems to suck out the fun. Our younger testers were less interested in the driving aids than the 4Runner’s useful slide-out cargo tray and the stereo’s “party mode,” which pumps more power to the tailgate speakers.

That’s a problem because, at 40 large for this truck, there are few other visible frills. The cockpit is laminated in black plastic, accented by a silver-painted shingle on the console (as in almost every Toyota), and the seats are cloth-covered. It’s highly functional, modern, attractive, and spacious—especially in the elevated back seat—but it’s not terribly expensive-looking.

The 4Runner’s strength is placidity in all situations, whether running smoothly and quietly at 75 mph down a freeway or plodding at 2 mph over alluvial debris. An especially elastic suspension complemented by high-profile tires isolates the cabin from knocks and vibrations while stepping easily over trail trouble. The downside is a sloppy unwillingness to corner or hold to a straight line at speed.

Still, our group agreed: Were it their own money, a 4Runner Trail that could be stripped down to a lower price would be their pick for running the jaws of the San Jacinto.

1st Place; Jeep Grand Cherokee:

Whether crossing the San Andreas on a rocky two-track trail—or on one of the bustling freeway arteries that passes above or through it in cuts characterized by gruesomely distorted rock layers—the Grand Cherokee has the cool demeanor of a luxury sedan on stilts.

An airy interior of piped leather and genuine timber trim, with a high button count, is an order of magnitude more posh than that of the other trucks here. Is it only $1585 more than our ancient Pathfinder? It looks about $20,000 more (and weighs 565 pounds more). You get a load of niceties for the extra cash, including a power tailgate, parking sensors, a power tilting-and-telescoping steering wheel, and adaptive cruise control.

Overlands also have the Quadra-Trac II all-wheel drive with an electronic rear limited-slip differential and Selec-Terrain, a system like the 4Runner’s, which preps the car’s electronics for various surfaces. From behind the wheel, the Jeep feels just as expensive as it isn’t. Back in the DaimlerChrysler days, the only unit-body truck in this test was separated at birth from the next-generation Mercedes-Benz ML, with which it shares a stiff, carlike platform.

It polished off a freeway and a winding road with the same harmonious, unflustered control as it did rolling through rock-strewn washes of the San Andreas Rift Zone, only about 60 miles from downtown L.A. Pumped up on its air springs to its full 10.6 inches of clearance, an Overland rarely drags its belly, though sharp impacts do occasionally crash the suspension against the bump stops with a jarring thud.  And, as in the Borrego, the Jeep’s fuel-inhaling V-8 returned near-V-6 acceleration times.

Still, the Jeep is our favorite. It’s an everyday do-it-all of high caste that doesn’t mind getting grimy.


http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/…mparison_tests

Best V-Max testing grounds?

Posted by: Venom 1000  /  Category: Comparisons




So, you decide. Where is the ideal high speed testing ground?

Nardo

Length: 7.8 mile circle

Ehra-Lessien

5.6 mile straight

Nurburgring Straight

No, it isn’t as long as the VW test track but do consider the fact that
it is a very long downhill slope. It’s one of the most used places to
test top speeds in games because a high speed can be attained very
quickly. Also, it curves up slightly near the end aiding in braking.

I was going to throw in the old le mans straight but I don’t believe it’s even anywhere near as long as the Ehra-Lessien.

V6 Genesis coupe – VW GTI – 2011 V6 Mustang Help me decide :)

Posted by: tazzydnc  /  Category: Comparisons




It’s that time again…

That time when you realize the relationship you have with your current ride has grown stale and uninspiring; that time when you find yourself staring at other cars, wondering what it’d be like to be inside them, because after 5 long years, the one you’re in just doesn’t excite you the same way as before…

I’ll be getting a new car in the next month or two, and after a lot of internet surfing and test-driving I’ve narrowed it down to just three cars:

3.8L V6 Hyundai Genesis coupe (Track , MT)
VW GTI (autobahn, MT or DSG)
2011 3.7L V6 Mustang (premium, performance package, MT)

I’m a one car kinda guy, so this vehicle will be all-purpose, but really won’t have a lot of purposes. I don’t really have any tools to haul around, or a wife and/or kids, nor will I in the near future (if I can help it). Also, though I prefer a sporty drive, I won’t be doing any racing in this car. Track times aren’t as important to me as the pure sensation of driving. Like most, I love the kind of acceleration that pins you to the back or your seat, and I want a car that feels agile when I’m behind the wheel. Again though, I don’t think I’ll be running 1/4 miles or drifting through turns. Ipod/smartphone integration is a must, as well as a nice audio system.

Brief impressions from driving:

GTI didn’t quite as much acceleration as I’d like, but from what I read a simple reflash of the ECU would fix this problem

The Mustang I test drove (premoim, MT) handled way to softly and the acceleration didn’t feel as great as I expected given the impressive track times. However, it didn’t have the performance package (stiffer suspension, a 3.31:1 rear axle ratio (2.73:1 is standard), and a stability control system a sport mode).

I drove the R-Spec 2.0t Genesis since they didn’t have a MT V6 in stock. I found that the clutch engaged rather abruptly and I wasn’t fond of the interior in terms of quality or styling.

If you’d throw in your 2 cents, I’d appreciate it. I’ve found that cars, like many things in life, aren’t always what they appear to be on paper, so if you’ve driven the vehicle please mention that.

Thanks!

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